Mike Folkerth - King of Simple

Western Colorado’s own Humorist / Economist

$100 Million Bonus; Right or Wrong?

Good Morning all of you Middle Class survivors; your King of Simple News is on the air.

 

I have a couple of very important subjects that I want to focus on today. The first is an issue that I brought up with King of Simple News friend and often commenter, Clyde. The question that we batted around was, “Is it okay for a bank to give $100 Million bonus to the CEO?”

On the surface, and in the continual propagandized world that we live in, that question might be answered as, “Sure, it’s the banks money, the board can do as they see fit.” But is it really the banks money and more importantly, where did that money come from?

I’m gonna make this short and sweet from my perspective. There is a pie out there that represents all of the money in America. If one person takes a large enough slice…just because they can, then another person gets a very small slice, just because that’s all that’s left.

Let’s piggyback this conversation by talking about the other end of the spectrum; those earning minimum wage. The minimum wage issue is a hot button that most people don’t care to touch. I’m not most people and I want to throw the matter out for discussion.

Stay with me here, I’m getting to a point. Our politicians have been embroiled in a battle over health care, stating that some 50 Million people don’t have insurance. Now, consider that those earning minimum wage are considered the working poor. The minimum wage earner couldn’t buy health insurance for a family with 100% of their gross annual wages.

Therefore, as long as we have minimum wage set at $7.25, then we will always have millions of people who can’t afford health insurance unless the government subsidizes those folks; as in free health insurance.

Now, ask a guy or gal that is making $500K per year this question, “Do you believe that the minimum wage should be raised to a living wage?” (One that does not require subsidy). The answer will be, “Absolutely not, it would drive up the prices of everything and cost American’s jobs.”

At this point, ask the same upper income person, “Do you think that the minimum wage earner should be provided with free health insurance?” The answer in most cases would be, “Absolutely not, the cost of providing free health care would break the country.”

So now, I’m asking you; what is the answer? These folks don’t make enough to buy health insurance, but we don’t want to provide them with health care.

The problem goes much deeper and will soon affect nearly all of us. We live in a nation where our system of growth capitalism combined with a monetary system that is inclusive of compounding interest, has together, created the unfortunate reality of the bottom 80% of working Americans owning only 15% of the total wealth. (That includes questionable home values and other questionable assets).  

The top 1% of Americans own a staggering 49.7% of investment assets and they owe 5.4% of the debt. On the other end of the spectrum, the bottom 80% hold 12.2% of investment assets and hold 73.4% of the Debt!

The picture is clear, coming to us in full living color and HD; the very makeup of our system is quickly bleeding Middle America to death. So now that you know what the questions are; what are the answers?

I’ll throw a real zinger out there for you to ponder. Since there is a minimum wage in America, should there have been a maximum wage to balance wealth distribution?  

Now that you know where that money came from, should the bank board have given the CEO a $100 Million bonus?

 

 
Comments
1.
On February 3rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

I want to be sure that everyone sees this article that George posted up on yesterdays comments.

http://www.bloomberg.com/insight/birth-death-model.html

I can’t help but think of a comment that Mark Hall made on Pete Murphy’s blog,

“We might be the only nation on Earth whose government recognizes “Massive Systemic Failure” as a better than expected result.”

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 2:02 pm, pickdog said:

I can only say that any company that has been or is being backstoped by the taxpayers has no right to pay any bonuses at all. Not until all support is paid back or terminated. This would include borrowing funds from the Fed at ZIRP and using the funds to gamble.

Ortherwise, it is up to the stockholders to stop this type of greed.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 3:07 pm, George45-70 said:

Here’s a $4.4 BILLION Bonus that Bank of America payed out to their upper management. If memory serves me right BofA received well over $25 BILLION in TARP Money from the Federal Government. Translation: that’s $25 BILLION of OUR TAX MONEY!!! Yet BofA and the other ‘To Big To Fail’ Banks are foreclosing on American home owners in Record Numbers that are projected to reach close to 4 MILLION foreclosures in 2010!! On and they are not lending to Credit Worthy Small Businesses either causing more lay-offs and more closures.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aB9F9yg63I0o&pos=1

I’M MAD AS HELL!!!! AND I’M NOT TAKING IT ANY LONGER!!!!!

I will NEVER put another dime of my money in any National Bank ever again!! My money is staying in my Local Community Bank where I know the Bank Owner and every single employee because they are my friends and they are my neighbors.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 3:57 pm, Billyb said:

We just need more folks like you and Lynn Tilton, who can identify the problems and the circumstances that created them; and know the direction we need to take to get everything untangled. There are only a handful of you all out there that can maintain your focus in order to unravel this snake.

It will take a massive undertaking (won’t happen under this presidency) to get it started. Keep talking, it cannot hurt to enlighten as many as possible until the truth finally seeps out; even to those who cannot handle it at this time. Hopefully we still have enough left to save and enough time when we all begin to focus in the right direction. Good luck. -bb

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

That $4.4 Billion that Bank of America is paying in bonuses is around $400,000 each for the folks in that division. BOA stock sold for around $55 per share prior to the bust. Now…about $19.00. So what about the stock holders? Whoops, our bad.

I don’t want to get too far away from my questions in the article.

Should the banks be able to hand out such outlandish bonuses? Should there be a maximum wage law? What are we going to do about the working poor? Is all of Middle America destined to be working poor?

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm, Billyb said:

No they should not hand out the obscene bonuses. Yes there should be a max. wage law (but theree won’t be). We will do nothing about the working poor, until the numbers are so staggering in that catagory that it won’t help. 2009 gave us a really good start in that direction; two more years like that one and we will have landed. -bb

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm, George45-70 said:

Mike,

I’m not sure about a Maximum Wage Law, but I do think there should be a Meritocracy put in place. In other words you get a base pay and any additional pay is based on accomplishments that can be measured, documented, and made public if it’s a publicly held company. If it’s a privately held company, then the sky’s the limit in my books.

I do however wonder, how many High Deductible ($5000.00 deductible) Health Insurance Policies $4.4 Billion would buy.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm, George45-70 said:

I did the math based on a $2,000.00 per year High Deductible ($5000.00 deductible) Health Insurance plan and the answer is 2,200,000 people would have a Health Plan to cover any Major Medical Issues. That’s just with the BofA bonuses. You could extrapolate that across the 10 largest banks and low and behold you have 22 Million Americans with Health Insurance. Hmmmmmmm makes you think doesn’t it.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

This is a very complex subject and the answer lies in systemic change. Otherwise, in a matter of a few years, Middle America will only exist in history books and the tales told by older men and women.

The thought of a maximum wage is so disrupting to our perception of what has been propagandized as the American Dream, that at first, the idea of a maximum wage seems far too extreme.

But let me explain what extreme is. Big Business and Big Government have outsourced Middle Americas jobs, imported millions of competitors for the remaining jobs, driven down wages, reduced benefits, and are purposely destroying the only true Middle Class that our world has ever seen. THAT is extreme.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm, wordherder said:

Once upon a time in America we had something called progressive taxation, based on the premise that a dollar is worth more to someone making $20,000 a year than it is to someone making 2 million a year.

The further we have gotten away from progressive taxation, the more wealth has been concentrated in the hands of a few, and the less is left for the poor and middle class.

Those in the top income brackets benefit proportionally more from the existing system.

We are all interconnected and interdependent. We all benefit from the system to varying degrees.

Best to all,
wordherder

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 6:22 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

Wordherder,

Thanks for the reminder.

Progressive taxation would require high taxes on the wealthy. Those taxes would then go to the government. Can we allow government such as we have today to collect and distribute taxes fairly?

Another issue with making massive amounts of money in a fiat non-backed monetary system is that the ever increasing money has to come from somewhere. The Fed earned more money this year than all of the top banks put together!

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 7:20 pm, Hotrod said:

I am surprised that nobody has referred to the recent Supreme Court ruling that was purposely widely ruled to give “corporate personhood” free speech in the form of even more money to candidates. The first order will be to flood our airwaves with more campaign propaganda to assure that the corporate agenda rules.

It should be painfully aware to all that both parties are held hostage by large business interests. This idiotic ruling will institutionalize bribery in the form of contributions, or even worse, attack ads against the few politicians left who have the peoples best interest at heart.

Today I talked with a long time customer and friend who said he was sick of the extreme left and extreme right and he wanted someone in the middle. That is a false argument as a Democratic corporate stooge and a Republican corporate stooge are one in the same. A stooge in the “middle” is no better alternative.

As far as maximum pay limits are concerned, I don’t like the idea much. It would be unworkable as the wealthy always seem to have ways to skirt everything. I also believe people have been conditioned to worship the rich and envy their lifestyle. We idolize celebrity for some strange reason and it is getting worse, not better. Consider what passes for television these days.

Last month our church fired the Sunday School director because she offended the wealthiest member family in some trivial way. The whole congregation was scared to stand up to these rich and powerful people.

This problem will continue until we won’t tolerate it anymore and get off our dead asses and do something about it. I’m afraid it will have to get ugly before that happens.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm, wordherder said:

Mike,
As per my post yesterday, if the changes outline were implemented, we might have a government that could be trusted to use tax revenue in the best interest of the people.

A guy can dream can’t he?

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm, hutch8of9 said:

The boardroom is in many ways the royal court of a small fiefdom. Unless you have built this fiefdom by your own hand there are certain rules for becoming a member of the court. You must have the right connections with powers both in and outside the court. Preferably those with either large amounts of stock, money, or political influence.

It helps to have an easily recognized family name but a degree from one of the great royal colleges will suffice. You must court several existing nobles to find a “Rabi” or “Mentor” to propose your elevation to the court and it will be necessary to follow his lead in votes until you have gained sufficient power of your own.

It is perfectly acceptable to belong to numerous such courts in your early career. The pay is low but meetings are few, expense paid and often at luxury resorts. The political intrigue is fascinating and the opportunities to accumulate owed favors is considerable.

You will need such favors to get a paying executive position and of course when you do get such a position you will be in debt to those who put you there. There are many different levels of courts from the Pink Sheets to the Great Houses of Wall Street. Welcome to the Great Game and watch your back there are sharp knives around.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

Hotrod,

I’m sure that you are correct and the rich would figure a way around maximum income laws…but we have to start somewhere or there will be nowhere to start.

The American revolution was fought over an unfair division of wealth and a social elite that comprised of Kings and Queens and Earls and Dukes and Duchesses and Lords. We call that group Congress and Big Business.

I’m only fishing for ideas. Our system is working exactly as it was designed, therefore a redesign is in order.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

Wordherder,

You are correct, if we could change the political system in the manner that you suggested, those in power would be there temporarily and would do a much better job!

Hutch,
Aw yes, the board room shuffle, a complicated dance to master. Ya gotta go along to get along if you get my drift.

Don’t rock the boat, align yourself with the movers and shakers, and who knows, in a few years you may be a committee chairman or even move up to the executive committee.

If you’re really good, you may even find yourself on the Executive compensation committee where the CEO gets a golden parachute and you get to ride on the jet.

Ah, the good life is just one compromised soul away.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 9:29 pm, Hotrod said:

Mike,

I know we all look up to the Founders, but weren’t they rather wealthy as well? In other words, I think they could have done quite well for themselves under the British rule, so why exactly did they revolt?

You are entirely correct about the dangers of concentrated wealth. Oh my God, Class Warfare!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm, Mike Folkerth said:

So, why did they revolt? My answer is freedom. They had tasted freedom in a new country with unlimited possibilities and understood the crushing heavy handed rule of a Monarchy.

Most of them had government experience and yes, most of them had money, but they were being heavily taxed and controlled.

“The laying a Country desolate with Fire and Sword, declaring War against the natural rights of all Mankind, and extirpating the Defenders thereof from the Face of the Earth, is the Concern of every Man to whom Nature hath given the Power of feeling; of which Class, regardless of Party Censure, is the AUTHOR.” — Thomas Paine

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 10:29 pm, George45-70 said:

If enough small fish pull their money out of Big Banks and invest in locally owned banks and credit unions. If enough small fish spend their money at the mom and pop stores and not the big box stores. If enough small fish barter more and spend less. If enough small fish simplify their life styles, live more, and work less. Just maybe the small fish can make a difference. Perhaps not at the national level but at least around town.

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On February 3rd, 2010 at 10:34 pm, ClydeB said:

Mike,

That finite amount of existing money is not finite, it is actually growing by a couple trillion this year. The FED just prints some more as it sees fit.

A much larger area of concern is the unfunded claims already made against the future “pot”.

All of the bonus money, base salaries, stock options, perks and petty cash of all the banks, corporations and trust funds in the country will not be enough to cover the bill. The annual costs will exceed the entire GNP in a few years.

We have promised ourselves into oblivion and without drastic measures in the areas of spending control. population reduction, trade deficit reduction and domestic energy production. We don’t have the potential of WW2 with the mobilization of the entire workforce and rationing to bai us out this time.

In a word, $100 million bonuses are rather insignificant beyond the perception of it being greedy.

I fully believe we will see a repudiation of the national debt in the near future and probably before the end of the current presidiential term.

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On February 4th, 2010 at 1:23 am, Les said:

JAL (Japan Airlines) which recently declared bankruptcy. The CEO of JAL had taken a salary of $98,000, eats in the company cafeteria, and rides the bus to work.

The average Japanese CEO’s salary is $800,000.

America has completely lost its sense of right and wrong.

We shouldn’t have to have a maximum wage law.

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On February 4th, 2010 at 6:52 am, Mike Folkerth said:

Clyde,
I go back to my article, the lower 80% of Americans have been marginalized to holding less than 15% of the nations wealth. To them, the $100 Million bonus is very much a big deal.

Certainly you are correct in that we have promised greater than 100%. Perhaps greater than 200% of any physical possibility. As always, thanks for your input.

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On February 4th, 2010 at 6:56 am, Mike Folkerth said:

Les,
Your comment reminded me of a Chinese businessman that was being interviewed a couple of years ago. His company was making more than a Billion dollars per years and he was wearing what looked like a K-Mart suit and riding a bike to work!

Greed and power are without bounds. Hotrod noted above that I am talking about class warfare, but like I used to tell my dad about my black eyes, “They started it.”

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On February 4th, 2010 at 7:03 am, Mike Folkerth said:

George,

Piranhas are small fish that travel in large schools and eat big fish.

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On February 4th, 2010 at 8:31 am, Ed from RI said:

There are so many problems we face. I think we need to start with ending the FED and get back to State Sovereignty and pull back the usurpations of liberty that have been taken from us.

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On February 4th, 2010 at 9:22 am, Mike Folkerth said:

Ed,

Thanks for commenting. I certainly agree with your conclusion. We have a systemic problem that will require a major overhaul, should we ever hope to restore Middle America.

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On February 8th, 2010 at 1:38 pm, WmA said:

Really too late to comment, but I like the article, and the comments.. All were good..

My opinion.. All the problems are political, and the only solution is political.. And, until we change the way we select our leaders, nothing else matters.. We have the best government money can buy, and that is the heart of all of our problems…

Great article.. Keep em coming..

WmA..

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